1 00:00:05,670 --> 00:00:03,750 the cygnus launch vehicle is out on the 2 00:00:07,670 --> 00:00:05,680 pad at the wallops flight facility the 3 00:00:08,790 --> 00:00:07,680 preparations for sunday's launch is 4 00:00:10,709 --> 00:00:08,800 continuing 5 00:00:12,709 --> 00:00:10,719 and the work to get cygnus ready for the 6 00:00:14,870 --> 00:00:12,719 launch didn't just get going when the 7 00:00:16,790 --> 00:00:14,880 rocket was rolled out to the pad 8 00:00:19,670 --> 00:00:16,800 recently i spoke with floyd booker 9 00:00:21,830 --> 00:00:19,680 nasa's cygnus ii visiting vehicle lead 10 00:00:24,550 --> 00:00:21,840 about what's required to get these cargo 11 00:00:26,550 --> 00:00:24,560 ships ready to go and how far in advance 12 00:00:28,310 --> 00:00:26,560 they actually start preparing for any 13 00:00:31,029 --> 00:00:28,320 given mission 14 00:00:33,750 --> 00:00:31,039 well the program starts strategically we 15 00:00:36,310 --> 00:00:33,760 start years out we we look at all the 16 00:00:38,310 --> 00:00:36,320 vehicles that plan to come to station 17 00:00:40,470 --> 00:00:38,320 and the various crews and and what 18 00:00:43,350 --> 00:00:40,480 science is planned for them 19 00:00:45,029 --> 00:00:43,360 and with that we develop a manifest for 20 00:00:48,229 --> 00:00:45,039 each visiting vehicle 21 00:00:50,229 --> 00:00:48,239 and so it's kind of my job to 22 00:00:53,270 --> 00:00:50,239 to coordinate and manage the 23 00:00:54,310 --> 00:00:53,280 requirements as the cargo is identified 24 00:01:01,990 --> 00:00:54,320 and 25 00:01:02,950 --> 00:01:02,000 manifests change over time they do 26 00:01:05,109 --> 00:01:02,960 change 27 00:01:07,990 --> 00:01:05,119 they're not static right strategic is 28 00:01:09,270 --> 00:01:08,000 years tactical at about a year we start 29 00:01:11,910 --> 00:01:09,280 identifying 30 00:01:13,590 --> 00:01:11,920 mass properties powered 31 00:01:15,749 --> 00:01:13,600 instruments like refrigerators 32 00:01:17,910 --> 00:01:15,759 incubators 33 00:01:19,910 --> 00:01:17,920 different components like that to meet 34 00:01:22,630 --> 00:01:19,920 unique requirements for the vehicle if 35 00:01:24,310 --> 00:01:22,640 it needs power the visiting vehicle lead 36 00:01:27,190 --> 00:01:24,320 actually means means what what's your 37 00:01:29,270 --> 00:01:27,200 responsibility well i'm responsible for 38 00:01:30,870 --> 00:01:29,280 again meeting that hardware's 39 00:01:32,550 --> 00:01:30,880 requirements ensuring we can fly it 40 00:01:34,550 --> 00:01:32,560 safely on the vehicle 41 00:01:36,950 --> 00:01:34,560 ensuring the vehicle has resources to 42 00:01:38,710 --> 00:01:36,960 receive it and get it to station 43 00:01:40,310 --> 00:01:38,720 in some cases if we're talking about 44 00:01:42,710 --> 00:01:40,320 science experiments those things are 45 00:01:44,069 --> 00:01:42,720 known fairly far in advance that's 46 00:01:45,910 --> 00:01:44,079 correct um 47 00:01:47,830 --> 00:01:45,920 years five years 48 00:01:49,910 --> 00:01:47,840 well again the 49 00:01:50,789 --> 00:01:49,920 from a year's perspective is strategic 50 00:01:53,350 --> 00:01:50,799 plan 51 00:01:55,030 --> 00:01:53,360 tactical we look at within a year so for 52 00:01:57,350 --> 00:01:55,040 me i started really looking at the 53 00:01:59,429 --> 00:01:57,360 details at a year at one year like one 54 00:02:01,830 --> 00:01:59,439 year and it's i guess then within that 55 00:02:03,749 --> 00:02:01,840 time period that you're looking at uh 56 00:02:04,950 --> 00:02:03,759 the more mundane things like maybe 57 00:02:06,149 --> 00:02:04,960 clothing and 58 00:02:08,550 --> 00:02:06,159 other things you're right because then 59 00:02:10,150 --> 00:02:08,560 we have crew we know what sizes they are 60 00:02:12,309 --> 00:02:10,160 and and things like that and then when 61 00:02:13,190 --> 00:02:12,319 in six months we've identified 62 00:02:14,790 --> 00:02:13,200 um 63 00:02:17,270 --> 00:02:14,800 their food their clothing all the 64 00:02:19,750 --> 00:02:17,280 science equipment the 65 00:02:22,150 --> 00:02:19,760 things we need to repair and and 66 00:02:23,750 --> 00:02:22,160 maintenance and service within that time 67 00:02:24,949 --> 00:02:23,760 period that this vehicle is going to be 68 00:02:27,430 --> 00:02:24,959 on orbit 69 00:02:30,309 --> 00:02:27,440 and so those details flesh out at that 70 00:02:33,270 --> 00:02:30,319 time the long range planning is done 71 00:02:35,110 --> 00:02:33,280 higher up the food chain is correct 72 00:02:36,710 --> 00:02:35,120 they're thinking in terms of what we 73 00:02:38,229 --> 00:02:36,720 know we're going to need in the long 74 00:02:40,710 --> 00:02:38,239 term but the the 75 00:02:43,030 --> 00:02:40,720 the more planning the more detailed 76 00:02:45,430 --> 00:02:43,040 planning i guess is what comes in this 77 00:02:47,190 --> 00:02:45,440 this 12-month lead up correct 12 to 6 78 00:02:48,949 --> 00:02:47,200 months is that 79 00:02:51,589 --> 00:02:48,959 does that take a whole year or would you 80 00:02:52,630 --> 00:02:51,599 like more time 81 00:02:56,550 --> 00:02:52,640 well 82 00:02:58,790 --> 00:02:56,560 it does it i mean we we have to identify 83 00:03:00,869 --> 00:02:58,800 the the the things for the vehicle you 84 00:03:02,470 --> 00:03:00,879 know what's the total mass of this 85 00:03:04,869 --> 00:03:02,480 some things are heavier or lighter than 86 00:03:06,630 --> 00:03:04,879 others and and so we develop 87 00:03:08,309 --> 00:03:06,640 and of course that picture changes as we 88 00:03:10,229 --> 00:03:08,319 evolve as we get closer to launch if we 89 00:03:12,470 --> 00:03:10,239 slip we may change some of the 90 00:03:14,390 --> 00:03:12,480 components that are flying that are 91 00:03:16,070 --> 00:03:14,400 needed in that time frame so there's 92 00:03:18,710 --> 00:03:16,080 some flexibility 93 00:03:21,350 --> 00:03:18,720 in being able to move cargo from one 94 00:03:24,070 --> 00:03:21,360 visiting vehicle to the other as we 95 00:03:25,270 --> 00:03:24,080 really approach the launch 96 00:03:27,830 --> 00:03:25,280 you've talked you mentioned a couple 97 00:03:29,430 --> 00:03:27,840 times worrying about mass properties and 98 00:03:31,670 --> 00:03:29,440 just how 99 00:03:33,430 --> 00:03:31,680 specific how accurate does that need to 100 00:03:34,550 --> 00:03:33,440 be for someone who's not in the business 101 00:03:36,390 --> 00:03:34,560 it would seem like you know whether it 102 00:03:39,509 --> 00:03:36,400 weighs a pound or a pound and a half 103 00:03:41,509 --> 00:03:39,519 yeah so what would be okay right 104 00:03:42,869 --> 00:03:41,519 not so much here well when you're 105 00:03:43,830 --> 00:03:42,879 talking about 106 00:03:45,910 --> 00:03:43,840 um 107 00:03:47,190 --> 00:03:45,920 three or four thousand pounds of cargo 108 00:03:49,030 --> 00:03:47,200 it adds up 109 00:03:51,750 --> 00:03:49,040 so yes we have to 110 00:03:54,070 --> 00:03:51,760 um the vehicle is limited to a total 111 00:03:56,149 --> 00:03:54,080 amount of mass it can carry to orbit 112 00:03:57,990 --> 00:03:56,159 and of course we try to optimize and use 113 00:04:01,190 --> 00:03:58,000 every ounce of that 114 00:04:03,270 --> 00:04:01,200 and so yes we um we're 115 00:04:05,429 --> 00:04:03,280 we worry about the ounces at the end 116 00:04:06,630 --> 00:04:05,439 it's not and it's not just the the total 117 00:04:08,149 --> 00:04:06,640 weight then but it's how it's 118 00:04:10,869 --> 00:04:08,159 distributed within the vehicle that's 119 00:04:11,990 --> 00:04:10,879 correct so there's uh vehicle uh weight 120 00:04:14,309 --> 00:04:12,000 ncg 121 00:04:17,349 --> 00:04:14,319 concerns the center of gravity central 122 00:04:19,509 --> 00:04:17,359 gravity of the vehicle and so as the 123 00:04:21,270 --> 00:04:19,519 the commercial vehicle folks when they 124 00:04:23,749 --> 00:04:21,280 receive our cargo of course we're 125 00:04:26,230 --> 00:04:23,759 weighing and measuring the cg of large 126 00:04:28,790 --> 00:04:26,240 bags so it matches their models when 127 00:04:30,710 --> 00:04:28,800 they install it in the vehicle when a 128 00:04:32,550 --> 00:04:30,720 cygnus vehicle this one or another one 129 00:04:34,950 --> 00:04:32,560 that you're working on when it launches 130 00:04:36,790 --> 00:04:34,960 does that mean your job's over 131 00:04:38,950 --> 00:04:36,800 no i um 132 00:04:40,070 --> 00:04:38,960 i'm a i'm the lead for the cygnus 133 00:04:41,189 --> 00:04:40,080 vehicles 134 00:04:43,189 --> 00:04:41,199 so i'm 135 00:04:44,390 --> 00:04:43,199 um i've got to back up this work in the 136 00:04:46,710 --> 00:04:44,400 next flight 137 00:04:48,790 --> 00:04:46,720 it's now in october then i'll i'm 138 00:04:52,310 --> 00:04:48,800 already planning i'm already inside one 139 00:04:54,070 --> 00:04:52,320 year for orb4 which is uh next spring 140 00:04:55,590 --> 00:04:54,080 so we're already planning for that 141 00:04:57,749 --> 00:04:55,600 flight the cargo that flies on that 142 00:04:59,510 --> 00:04:57,759 flight is your job where does your job 143 00:05:01,670 --> 00:04:59,520 end when it gets off the launch pad or 144 00:05:03,830 --> 00:05:01,680 are you still following this one i will 145 00:05:06,230 --> 00:05:03,840 follow this one because part of 146 00:05:09,110 --> 00:05:06,240 taking cargo to the iss 147 00:05:10,469 --> 00:05:09,120 this vehicle does not return we don't 148 00:05:13,110 --> 00:05:10,479 get cargo back 149 00:05:15,029 --> 00:05:13,120 we actually use it as a disposal vehicle 150 00:05:16,629 --> 00:05:15,039 so we're also looking at what 151 00:05:17,430 --> 00:05:16,639 trash is available 152 00:05:19,110 --> 00:05:17,440 so 153 00:05:22,390 --> 00:05:19,120 we'll load this vehicle with trash 154 00:05:24,870 --> 00:05:22,400 unused i mean use components and daily 155 00:05:26,390 --> 00:05:24,880 trash from the crew and uh burn that up 156 00:05:27,830 --> 00:05:26,400 when it returns 157 00:05:30,790 --> 00:05:27,840 and 158 00:05:33,110 --> 00:05:30,800 cg 159 00:05:36,230 --> 00:05:33,120 worries the same worries go into that 160 00:05:39,029 --> 00:05:36,240 yes we track uh every bag of trash every 161 00:05:41,110 --> 00:05:39,039 every used ru that goes in each bag and 162 00:05:43,670 --> 00:05:41,120 we communicate that to the 163 00:05:45,749 --> 00:05:43,680 to the sickness guys and they 164 00:05:47,749 --> 00:05:45,759 uh they may tell us that this particular 165 00:05:50,310 --> 00:05:47,759 bag needs to be in a specific location 166 00:05:52,550 --> 00:05:50,320 in the vehicle for return 167 00:05:54,870 --> 00:05:52,560 space on even on a returning vehicle 168 00:05:56,629 --> 00:05:54,880 like cygnus is is pretty important uh 169 00:05:58,710 --> 00:05:56,639 earlier this week during the mission 170 00:06:00,150 --> 00:05:58,720 management team meeting i saw you get 171 00:06:01,830 --> 00:06:00,160 called up to 172 00:06:03,749 --> 00:06:01,840 give a report on how much space was 173 00:06:05,110 --> 00:06:03,759 still available on something that was 174 00:06:07,189 --> 00:06:05,120 coming home 175 00:06:09,189 --> 00:06:07,199 that's true yes 176 00:06:10,469 --> 00:06:09,199 people want to make sure that 177 00:06:12,230 --> 00:06:10,479 because they want to want to get 178 00:06:15,270 --> 00:06:12,240 everything off the station we can i 179 00:06:17,830 --> 00:06:15,280 guess correct correct so in an ideal 180 00:06:19,350 --> 00:06:17,840 situation we will use every bit of mass 181 00:06:21,189 --> 00:06:19,360 we can going uphill 182 00:06:23,909 --> 00:06:21,199 and we'll use every bit of volume and 183 00:06:25,749 --> 00:06:23,919 mass we have to to throw away trash uh 184 00:06:27,590 --> 00:06:25,759 when the vehicle leaves 185 00:06:28,790 --> 00:06:27,600 so as you mentioned you're already 186 00:06:31,430 --> 00:06:28,800 working on 187 00:06:33,029 --> 00:06:31,440 a future on all the future cygnus 188 00:06:35,830 --> 00:06:33,039 missions i guess from what you say right 189 00:06:37,909 --> 00:06:35,840 well we we do have some ideas of 190 00:06:40,070 --> 00:06:37,919 big payloads that fly throughout the 191 00:06:41,590 --> 00:06:40,080 life of this contract so yes 192 00:06:43,830 --> 00:06:41,600 but again we start looking at the 193 00:06:45,670 --> 00:06:43,840 details inside of a year 194 00:06:47,270 --> 00:06:45,680 be very interesting 195 00:06:49,110 --> 00:06:47,280 knowing knowing a little bit more about 196 00:06:51,110 --> 00:06:49,120 how it gets packed when you see it get 197 00:06:53,189 --> 00:06:51,120 off the launch pad right 198 00:06:54,629 --> 00:06:53,199 exactly floyd thanks very much for uh 199 00:06:57,189 --> 00:06:54,639 for a couple of minutes here to give us 200 00:06:59,189 --> 00:06:57,199 some insight into what goes into packing 201 00:07:02,870 --> 00:06:59,199 one of these things uh floyd booker